What is the meaning of this conflict between neighboring countries about names and about the past ? ?

I personally care about the environmental disaster that Turkiye and Greece suffered from the forest fires, about the gradual submission of the Mediterranean countries to the desert zone, and about global warming which will turn Constantinoupilis - Istambul and Thessaloniki - Selanik to underwater cities.


Who's going to care about the names and about what happend 500 ago then?

What is the meaning of this conflict between neighboring countries about names and about the past ? ?
Dear Friend..





I was thinking exactly the same thing today. As you already know, I am interested in history but I am having a hard time understanding why people dwell on something that they have- nobody has- no chance to change.Historical facts are for learning about what happened and making a collective memory of. NOT for discussing or getting frustrated about because - I repeat- it can not be changed.





i wouldn't care less if my home town was still called Prussia, it would still be the same place. You are perfectly right; our two countries have a lot more important issues to deal with right now, as of today.





We have to come together and at least form a mutual crisis center for aid to forest fires, purchase common fire extinguishing equipment which can be used on both countries when needed.





What people don't see now is our countries are so close, we are even effecting each others climate. If the forests in our Aegean cost diminish, the Greek islands will be more vulnerable to sand storms, and there will be less rain, if any. Same goes for us, as well.





The governments of each country should stop fighting for their own benefits and votes, have to sit down and find a way to cooperate during extraordinary times and disasters.





I know, I am dreaming, you don't have to remind me :)
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Reply:How interesting answers I found just here above mine. Especially the one of our greek betrayer Vasili. She says that she don't care how do you call Thessaloniki or Slink. But then again look at her if you call it SOL UN (with it's original name). How suddenly she don't bother the names and in the same time she continues to call Republic of Macedonia with insulting names? But I can and I will explain you why. Big fish eats small fish. When someone is bigger and stronger then you, you talk with him with awe, you are licking the floor and kissing the @sses! But if it is smaller and wicker then you then it is another story. Because of the name you won't go to NATO or EU, because we don't like you, because we need someone to medicate our fears and inferiority complexes, that's why we use VETO. I just wonder how far our Greek hypocrisy will go???





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to vasiliki-MACEDONIA (not FYROM) is a constitutional name of Republic of Macedonia recognized by more then 120 countries included Turkey, USA, Russia, China etc. so any other name instead Macedonia is insult


SOLUN is the name that all Slavic people are using for Thessaloniki or Slink even today just like more then 1000 years ago, when Solun had nothing in common with Greece and Greeks
Reply:I agree with Keyser.


It just seems that some people can't stand calmness and happiness.





Also, turkish people, the harder you TRY to prove that you are Europeans the harder they (trolls) will attack you.


This happens when they understand that you are annoyed by their comments, when it is very obvious that they want to annoy you!





If people have objections about Turks entering EU (they have the right to disagree for any reason), well,that's why they vote and that's why their leaders exist for, to hear their opinions and TAKE ACTION according to these opinions. Aren't they democratic after all?


I mean they should turn to their leaders.
Reply:caring about the environment is very important. But, as far as I understand, there are some war mongers-in the White House and in other important positions in the US-who would do everything to stir political tensions around the world, and then, God forbid... Well, let's look at what they did in Yugoslavia: They used DU and cluster bombs, and they bombed petro chemicals installations. This caused more devastation to the environment then anything else. So, in order to stand up against wars and war mongering, one should consider what happened in the past as important as things related to the environment.
Reply:Thankyou for asking such a well thought out question. I am glad to see the positive responses so far and hope that people recall their neighbours as human beings rather than enemies when a question such as "Which country is most similar to Turkey" as it appears as though we are schitzophrenics here. I got something like 19 thumb downs for saying Greece, which is bewildering. On the other hand I understand that Greeks and history teachers call Istanbul Constantinople - which is fair enough, but I have yet to see anyone in the general public who refer to Istanbul as Constantinople. Truth should win, not the allocated teams.
Reply:there is ALOT of time to pass until the regions you talk about become underwater cities.the first nation to be flooded as a result of climate change will be the UK.i agree that turkey and greece will suffer desertfication,and we can thank the usa and china for that.





when you think about these real life issues,it just makes all the petty squabbles greeks,turks,armenians,kurds,macedonians have about land pretty dire...





i also hope that the people who try to play us off against each other feel ashamed of themselves.





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no wait a second here,just to clear something up.The greeks that call istanbul constantinople really shouldnt be doing that atall,because thats where the problem lies.the city is called ISTANBUL now.its a turkish city,its not a greek one.if greeks were incharge of it,u could call it that,but its turkish and that wont change.there is no reason to call it constantinople.the whole world calls it istanbul.





a greek born after the 70's just doesnt have an excuse not calling it istanbul,other than simple being stubborn.
Reply:I agree with you Dellarovere.


I find it amazing people to be so offended of calling Instabul-Konstantinopole.(When the same time they call Thessaloniki as Selanik).And I got many thump downs (i don't even care) about stating some reality.





We should take care more about this because is something that will affect both of us and we should bond our powers to face it...





Its better to be together than to be against..;)





edit to bakoyanni:


FYROM is the name that EU,Nato and UN use.


Any internationally legal name is not insulting.





Selanik is a name used for 400 years and Thessaloniki is a name used for the rest of this city's existance.





Solun was never the name of Thessaloniki.So give me a break "bakoyanni" and express with another way your complexes (I wonder why you are so obsessed with me )





Edit to keyser:


How you call in YOUR language Greece?


Greece,Hellada or Yunanistan?
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Um, I don't understand why a Greek person would be bothered at all by the name of Istanbul: Eis Tan Polis.





My hometown is Konya, as solid as a Turkish city gets, Seljuk capital for centuries, central to Anatolian Turkish beyliks: the name is from Iconium.





Speaking of conflicts and peace in the region, some very bad person apparently reported my question "family stories from Anatolia and Thrace". :( I have appealed it, and if Yahoo does not come through, then I'll leave this place for the trolls.





Off to run now, nice day...
Reply:When we can all imagine a world without borders.





In fact, I believe we should all learn what happened 500 years, 1000 years, 2000 years ago, but with the curiosity of a child. Not looking for evidence to slander the other.
Reply:It is happening here where I live too. It is a big problem. We have to all do something. In fact I will say that we all have to do MANY things not just something.
Reply:sadly its the nature of human kind.there will always be borders,territories and there will always be conflict,fighting
Reply:thank you my friend ,


i agree with you and


these are for you from us


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mZAW8IXiHq...


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZbY6qWTog...






Reply:dear, it is ISTANBUL not ISTAMBUL .
Reply:It is true that people do irrational things. Don't you see all the wars? We have so many dead people from accidents or illnesses, and we are sad, and we do research to try to solve this problem. Yet, we go kill each other for no apparent reason! We can coexist just fine.


As for history, the issue is to accept and be objective about history. We have monuments of multiple cultures that sometimes are not our culture. We must be proud of them! Let me tell you this: there is a mosque in Trikala, a very interesting building. The Ministry of Culture restored it. I would have loved to have worked there! Well, some people in the area were displeased because money was given to restore the mosque! That is so silly!


Similarly, in Istanbul, there is a standing Byzantine palace. We only have that from teh Byzantine Palaces of Constantinople (I call it that, since that was the name of the city when the palaces were built). Therefore, it is a great monument and a rare one. And an amazing edifice. It should be considered among Turkey's main monuments. Instead it is falling apart. Why? The Sultan's palace is at the best state of conservation. I believe cultural decisions are sometimes based on political ideology, and this is wrong.
Reply:Macedonia has suffered too, you know.